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Dėmesio - sukčius emilkazakov

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Eiga toliau:
emilkazakov10@gmail.com:

i am interested in purchasing it but, I just would like to know why you are selling it & how would you describe the condition?
Are you the first owner & How long have you owned it?
What's your best price?

Emil

Su tam tikru pardavėjams būdingu kai ko nutylėjimu atrašiau:
Hello.i am selling my bike because i have another one. Selling bike was bought in 2010 in USA. All time bike was used only me.i have photos from USA auction. Bike condition is very good. Maybe tyres isnt very new. Also silencer down have some small crashes.last price 4600 euro.

emilkazakov10@gmail.com:
I agree with the price and i'm satisfied with the condition too, and i'm buying it internationally to Bulgaria and i'm willing to pay through PayPal & i'll cover the paypal fees too, and about the transportation, i shall arrange for a private transport company to come to your home for the pickup .
If you agree with this, i would require the details below to proceed with payment:

Name :
PayPal Email :
Total Price :

or you may send me a PayPal money request, so that i can proceed with the transfer and then arrange for the pick-up, after you receive your money. I will also need your home address too for the pick up to be arranged.

i expect your reply soon .
Emil.

Po šito laiško man įsijungė saugikliai ir staiga "pamiršau", kad turiu paypal:
hello. i don't using pay pal, so it will be better, that you will pay to my bank account. Also i want to sent you order agreement by email. you must write your date and signature and sent me this agreement as soon as possible to my home by post. when i will get your payment and agreement than you can bring bike with my signature agreement. i need this agreement, because i must unregistred bike. is it o.k. for you?
P.S. i atach form of agreement. it is in Lithuanian, but i hope you will understand it.

Emilis staiga prisiminė, kad jis neturi internetinės bankininkystės ir pasišovė mane atvesti į beribius Paypal vandenis:
I can only pay through PayPal because i currently do not have access to my bank account because i don't use internet banking but i can pay from my paypal account because my bank account is already linked with it.
PayPal is very easy to set up, just get to www.paypal.com and get an account , after you have it set up, i will only need your paypal email address to transfer the money...

Na, jei "yzi" tai yzi... "prisiminiau", kad visdėlto turiu paypalą:
Ok. Give me your paypal email, i will send you money request.

Emiliukas: you can send the request to emilkazakov10@gmail.com. Thanks

Na, bandžiau aš jam tą requestą padaryti, bet man kažkas nesigavo, todėl suteikiau galimybė pinigus pervesti jam:
hi. my paypal email:
__________@gmail.com . please sent money and paypal fees without my request.
Please sent completet agreement to my address:
ccc xxx
Lithuania

Emiliukas greit sureagavo ir "persiuntė" man pinigų:
hi, i shall proceed with the payment then mail you when done.
Bet vėliau prisiminė, kad reikia mano pilno vardo: and i would also need your full name..

Neužilgo Emilis rašo: I just completed the transfer and you should have gotten the confirmation email from paypal regarding the transfer. So i expect to receive the address where the pick up would be made & also i made an extra payment 560euro for the freight charges and i am sure you noticed that, you'll have to send the extra amount to the Transport Company Office through Western Union(www.westernunion.com) right away and then send the Western Union Transfer Information to PayPal as they said it is needed for verification, before the transaction can be finalized.. Here is the info you'll need to transfer the money to the Transport Company's head-office...

Name : Angie Cole
Address: 610 N 11th Ave
City: Philpot,
State: Kentucky
Zip Code: 42366,
Count ry : USA.

I am sure you have my name and address for all documentations needed and if you don't please ask me for them, and all other documentations would be prepared by the transport company during pick-up. I will advice you to check your inbox or spam/junk folder for the paypal confirmation email if you can't find it in your inbox ...
I expect your response soon and it's a pleasure doing business with you.

Čia galutinai viskas pasidarė aišku, kad moco likau nepardavęs... Nes: 1. atiskaitant paypal gan nemaži mokęsčiai, didesnes sumas labiau verta bankiniu pavedimu daryti. 2. 560 eurų už moco transportą truputi daugoka... 3. transporto atstovas Amerikoj nori už paslaugas gauti pašto perlaidą Eurais ... 4. Paypal laiškai man tikrai neina į šiukšlių dėžę...

Kadangi su šituo laišku jis mane prigavo jau beveik miegantį ir jį perskaičiau telefone, galvoju "o jeigu?..." pasijungiu emeilo "Junk" folderį ir akurat- yra nuo "paypal" du laiškai. Pirmame rašoma, kad aš neva gavau bapkių, kurių statusas "pending", t.y. "kabo", kol transporto kompanija nepatvirtins apie pinigų gavimą.
Antrame laiške "paypal" man primena, kaip man sumokėti transporto kompanijai ir t.t.:

You've received a payment

Hello XXX YYY,

The total sum of €5,160.00 EUR that was transferred to you by Emil Kazakov has been fully deducted from the payee's account which includes the Transport/Delivery Charges and is ready to be transferred into your your own account, but before the transaction can be finalized you would have to Pay the Transport Charges to the Transport Company.
In order complete this transaction and get the funds credited into your account, you have to go to your closest Western Union Office and transfer the excess sum of €560.00 EUR to the Transport Agent and send us a Scanned Copy/Photograph of your Western Union Transaction Receipt (in .JPG Format).
Below is a step by step guide on how to make the transfer:
1. Go to any Western Union Office close to your home.
2. Ask for a western union money transfer form.
3. Fill the form with the address details provided below.
4. Tender the cash and you will be issued a receipt after the money has been sent
5. Attach and email a scanned copy of the receipt to us or type out the details on the receipt such as : Sender's Name; Receiver's Name; MTCN; Amount Sent;

The payment will be released into your account shortly after the western union receipt has been received from you. All you have to do now is to proceed with transfer of the €560.00 EUR from your possession through Western Union Money Transfer to the address and ensure you email us the required details so that we could verify the transfer and then credit your account accordingly.

We want you to understand that this transaction cannot be cancelled nor recalled by the sender ( Emil Kazakov ) as a security measure to protect both you the Seller and the Buyer so you have 100% assurance that you will get reimbursed as soon as the Western Union information is received from you.

Click Here Locate Nearest Western Union Outlet
Transport Company's Agent : MSC (USA) Ltd.

Name: Angie Cole
Address: 610 N 11th Ave
City: Philpot,
State: Kentucky
Zip Code: 42366,
Country: USA.
Yours sincerely,
PayPal.
Yours sincerely,
PayPal.
You may contact us by replying directly to this message.

Copyright © 2014 PayPal, Inc. All rights reserved. PayPal is located at 2211 N. First St., San Jose, CA 95131.
PayPal Email ID PP1557 - 57639993916db

Na, tada aš išsimiegojęs palyginau paypalo iš "spam" ir normalaus laiškus. Nesunkiai rasti skirtumai- Emiliuko paypalo adresas buvo help@verify-team.com, nors gautų laiškų sąraše rodo kaip paypal, o tikro paypalo yra su galūne paypal.com. Na, kiti skirtumai ne tokie reikšmingi (Europos klientams paypal savo kontaktinius duomenis šiaip nurodo Europinius, o ne JAV).

Po keletos valandų "paypalas" mane informavo:

Dear XXX YYY,

We are contacting you regarding the transaction between you and Emil Kazakov, We want to inform you that we still have your money with us in progress, and we are still expecting to receive the necessary Western Union Information from you for complete verification.
So therefore, all you have to do now is to proceed to send the €560.00 EUR through Western Union Money Transfer to the confirmed address and make sure you contact us with the Necessary Western Union details so that we can complete verification process and credit your account.
You are required to send us the Western Union Information below for Verification:

(1) Sender's Name;
(2) Receiver's Name;
(3) MTCN;
(4) Amount Sent;
(5) Western Union Receipt

Note: You should not send the Western Union information to the buyer, the Western Union Information should be sent directly to us for verification and then you can send the information to the buyer after your money is released into your account. We shall be expecting to read from you as soon as possible.
Sincerely,
A. Williams,
The PayPal Team.

Na, tada man jau pabodo su juo rašinėtis, nukopinau tikrojo paypal puslapio vietą, kurioje rašoma, kad pas mane yra lygiai 0 Eurų bet kokia forma pinigų, ir pasiūliau Emiliukui pačiam susimokėti už transportą, o mocą gaus tada,kai aš gausiu bapkes bei pasirašytą pirkimo pardavimo sutartį.

Emiliukas taip lengvai nepasidavė.... :
If you go through the confirmation email you got from paypal which is similar to the payment receipt i received from PayPal, you are required to go to any Western Union office with the sum of 560EUR which is for the pick up fee from your pocket and make a payment to the shipping agent through Western Union transfer, before the total amount would be credited into your account.
For certain security reasons, paypal needs to confirm that the freight charges is paid to the Shipping Agent, before the total amount would be released into your account.
As soon as you complete the transfer through Western Union, a receipt would be issued to you and you will have to send a scanned copy/photo of the receipt or the requested Western Union info to PayPal by email for verification, as soon as paypal receives and verifies the Western Union information, the transfer would be finalized and the total amount would be released into your account...
I hope you understand now.....
Please advice asap..
Emil.

Tada aš galvoju, kad reikia pažiūrėti, kaip jis rimtai nusiteikęs žaisti:
When I get money, then i make the transfer to "shipping company" in USA :-D .
I will not send money that not get it.
Maybe we are using different paypal? Because in my paypal "pending" 0 EUR.

Nepaisant mano pasikeitusio bendravimo tono, kuomet jam tapo svarbiau ne nusipirkti mocą, o tai, kad aš pervesčiau taisiklingai bapkes už transportą, Emiliukas man vis tiek atrašė: As explained in the paypal payment confirmation, the payment will show up after you pay the the shipping agent through western union and then send the western union receipt to PayPal for verification. Once they receive the Payment Receipt from you, you would be reimbursed immediately, So I think you'll have to send the money from your possession before paypal can release the whole funds to you.

Jei kam nepabodo skaityti, tai esmė tame, kad tiesiog norėjau, kad kas nors neužsirautų ant panašaus Emilio, ir dar, jei kas turi kokių įdėjų, kaip toliau bendrauti su "pirkėju", laukiu pasiūlymų pasiūlymus duokit ir angliškame tekste, nes mano anglų "not so gut"...

Čia anglų daug nereik išmanyt. Parašyk Tu jam: Fcuk off idiot

P.S. Emil Kazakov Bulgarijoje guglas nurodo kaip vietinį didžėju ir kitą veikėją kaip kokį tai kovotoją...
Transporto kompanijos USA adresu guglas rodo jankių gyvenamųjų namų kvartaliuką

Citata:

Cituoju: DainiusM Čia anglų daug nereik išmanyt. Parašyk Tu jam: Fcuk off idiot

Nesinori taip greit paleist

Maladec, kad pasidalinai. Negirdeta schema. Ir palyginus itaigi tokia

Moco pardavime schema turi but paprasta - babkes gavai i letena,pasirasei sutarty ir tik tada atidavei moca. Amen

Citata:

Cituoju: Nordas Moco pardavime schema turi but paprasta - babkes gavai i letena,pasirasei sutarty ir tik tada atidavei moca. Amen

Px, tinka ir į sąskaitą, bet sutarties tikrai reikia.

Citata:

Cituoju: turistux Maladec, kad pasidalinai. Negirdeta schema. Ir palyginus itaigi tokia

Schema girdėta ypač su auto pardavimais

Bet kokia info primenanti, kad yra ir kita medalio puse gerai. Bet principai islieka amzini: "pinigai i prieki"

Citata:

Cituoju: Plasnart .... "pinigai i prieki"

kad pinigai i prieki - labai senai zinoma

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDTwCRYyh3s
 

na, tai ką Emiliukui parašyt?

Būčiau siūlęs tam Emiliui iškart Wester union mokėt visą suma
Pasiūlyk , gal dar nori atšaukt paypal mokėjimą ir pervest savo eurus per wester union , į kurį taip įsikabinęs

Citata:

Cituoju: aciputes na, tai ką Emiliukui parašyt?

Aš parašyčiau taip.
Negaliu apmokėti moco transportavimo išlaidų nes pagal mūsų šalies įstatymus išvežamas mocas iš mūsų šalies turi būti apdraustas nuo vagysčių ir kitų pažeidimų transportavimo metu. Tai kainuoja 50eurų kuriuos turi apmokėti naujas savininkas nes jai kas nutiks mocui jis gaus triguba moco vertės išmoka. Nusiųsčiau kokios tikros draudimo bendrovės duomenis. Ir paprašyčiau kad atsiųstu apmokėjimo kvito kopija kurioje būtinai turi būti toks įrašas mūsų šalies kalba parašyta. AŠ ESU KVAILAS ŽIOPLYS

Jei nesunku, anglišką variantą...

oooo... prasidėjo gąsdinimai teisinėmis pasekmėmis :

Hello Vvvv Xxxxx,

It is important we know the status of the merchandise purchased from you by one of our client, Emil Kazakov with Transaction ID: MYR849375694INT, otherwise legal action will be taken against you since you have not e-mailed us regarding the Western Union transfer information and scanned receipt of the western union transfer.
We believed you entered into agreement by requesting money through PayPal from the buyer, and by not e-mailing us with the details of the western union transfer information, you are violating PayPal users agreement in act of the 1999 Law in collaboration with the World Law Enforcement Agency.
You are mandated to transfer the sum of €560.00 EUR to the Transport company for the Insurance Fee and email us the proof of transfer within the next 24hrs, failure to do so would result to the involvement of the Federal Law Enforcement Agents for violating PayPal's instructions and users agreement in act of the 1999 Law in collaboration with the World Law Enforcement Agency.
We are ensuring to make Online Transaction a safer place, therefore we need to set confidence on all our users.
Transport Company's Agent : "MSC (USA) Ltd"
Name : Angie Cole
Address: 610 N 11th Ave
City: Philpot,
State: Kentucky
Zip Code: 42366,
Count ry : USA.
We request for the Western Union Transfer information from Western Union for certain Security Reasons to prove the transfer has been made within the next 24hrs and we will fund the money into your account or you will face the consequences of LEGAL ACTION.
This is done for the protection of both the seller and buyer from the ongoing internet fraud activities.
Thank you for using PayPal Online Payment !!.
Sincerely,
A. Williams,
PayPal Help Team.

Nusiusk i tikra PayPal ,sita ju laiskeli
Tie turetu greitai isiaiskint su jais ir papasakos tau kaip baigesi

Nieko tau nereikia niekur siusti, cia tipine amerikoniska apgavyste, kai jis nori kad jam sumoketum Western Union ir tada tavo "pirkejas" isgaruos gaves tuos 560 euru. Gyvenau Amerikoj ir zinau sita nesamone, susiduriau su visa kruva tokiu kai pardavinejau masina. Taip kad gali tu jam palinketi ieskotis kitos aukos, nes tu neturi jokio kliento, o tik svaistai savo laika.

Citata:

Cituoju: sadlave Nusiusk i tikra PayPal ,sita ju laiskeli Tie turetu greitai isiaiskint su jais ir papasakos tau kaip baigesi

Aš kai tik pradėjau skaityt temą man pirma mintis irgi tokia buvo... Nusiųsti paipalui viską

Bandžiau paypalui siusti, bet pas juos kontakto sistema tokia, kad renkiesi per meniu punktus problemą ir paskui ją duoda aprašyti.... O ten kad įkelti jų kopijuoto puslapio gautą emeilą nėra kaip.

Iš https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt /Help/general/TopQuestion4-outside ir http://www.westernunion.com/us/consumer-protection/NextSteps.page ?

How do I report PayPal fraud or a PayPal Scam?

If you think you have experienced PayPal fraud or received a PayPal scam via email (e.g. a fake email pretending to be from PayPal), forward the entire email to spoof@paypal.com, and delete it from your email account. If you came across a fake PayPal website, contact our Customer Service team.

Tiesiog persiųsk visą susirašinejimą į spoof@paypal.com ir analogiškai į spoof@westernunion.com. Sakyčiau, kad informuoti Western Union tavo situacijoj dar svarbiau.

Pas mane lygiai ta pati istorija prasidejo pries dvi dienas. Tik daejo viskas iki to, kol tas 'Emilis' parase kad man sumokejo per paypala, tik jo laiskas galejo ateit i spama. Cia viskas aisku ir pasidare. Akurat, spame yra kazkoks suklastotas laiskas, o tikram paypale nieko naujo. Issiunciau viska i paypalo security skyriu. Gal prigaus. Bet ciuju jie tokiu atveju tukstancius kasdien gauna.

O WU man prie ko? Aš nesiunčiau ir nesiruošiau nieko siųsti, ir jokių įsipareigojimų, tuo labiau WU, neturiu. Tiesiog jie neatsako už tai kas už ką ir kam siunčia pinigus. Galutinis gavėjas įjungs durnelio veidą ir sakys, kad nieko nežino, tiesiog gavo pinigus gal iš kažkokio naujo pažįstamo, kuris gal būt norėjo tiesiog paremti materialiai.

Citata:

Cituoju: rommaz Iš https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt /Help/general/TopQuestion4-outside ir http://www.westernunion.com/us/consumer-protection/NextSteps.page ? How do I report PayPal fraud or a PayPal Scam? If you think you have experienced PayPal fraud or received a PayPal scam via email (e.g. a fake email pretending to be from PayPal), forward the entire email to spoof@paypal.com, and delete it from your email account. If you came across a fake PayPal website, contact our Customer Service team. Tiesiog persiųsk visą susirašinejimą į spoof@paypal.com ir analogiškai į spoof@westernunion.com. Sakyčiau, kad informuoti Western Union tavo situacijoj dar svarbiau.

Sia savaite tas pats emiliukas su lygiai tuo paciu tekstu norejo pirkti mano moto tik anksciau paprotino mane draugas, tai iskart sakiau vesk i banko saskaita rankpinigius ir tada nebeparase gyvates bando prigau! Ir, neabejoju, prigauna nemazai bukite atsargus!

Na, gal ryt ką parašysiu jam.... gražaus ką nors...

Sveikas, uzsiregistravau vien tik del tavo posto. Pardavineju autopliuse mersiuka ir is sito pacio veikejo gavau laiska su tuo paciu tekstu...

Sveiki,
ir iš manęs Emiliukas perka mašiną bet ir aktyvus pirkėjas jis yra
Tikrai būkite atsargūs!

aš jam už transportą nenusiunčiau bapkių, tai dabar kažką juk reikia nusipirkti

1. Iš mūsų marijos žemės joks jankis nepirks jokio transporto nes pas juos jis per pus pigesnis. +europos saugumo reikalavimai neatitinka jankių.
2.Iš dalies malonu kad jie surado mūsų šalį bent intike nes manau žemėlapį dar ne.
3. Visi kas gavot parašykit jam vienoda atsakymą:
Jūsų įtartina veikla perduota į Lithuania FBI(Lietuvos Federalinis Bepročių Institutas) kuri susisieks su jūsų šalies USA FBI (Jungtinių Amerikos Valstijų Federaliniu Bepročių Institutu) ir nustatys ar jūsų veikla teisėta.
Kadangi man jankių kalba nelabai suprantama tai gal kuris išsilavines motomanas pateiks angliška versija. Skliausteliuose žodžių prašome neverst rašyti lietuviškai

Šiaip jis deklaravo esantis iš Bulgarijos... Kad jankis tapo aišku pagal "transporto kompanijos atstovo būstinės" adresą...

Tai parašykit EUROPOL (Europos Priedurnių Policijos Ligoninė)
Gal prieš metus buvo panašus pirkėjai iš afrikos tai juos net prikalbino siusti foto su plakatais su įdomiais užrašais.